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Old June 12th, 2017, 06:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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First Gibson Les Paul Purchase, help deciding!

Hi guys,

I have wanted a Gibson Les Paul since forever and finally I can afford it and enjoy it. I started with a cheap Strat copy HSS and then moved to a Mahogany Ibanez HH. I went to the best local guitar shop and tried a LP Classic 2017 (2190CHF) just out of curiosity, and made me remember that I wanted a Les Paul, it sounded and played great, also looked fantastic (all black, cream plastics and zebra pickups). I went to another shop and tried a LP Standard 2016 (2498CHF) and a LP Tribute 2017 (890CHF). I liked them all and made me really want to buy a Gibson, but without breaking the bank, for me that would be going over the one-grand mark; specially because I couldn’t justify to myself spending 2-6k on a guitar. The shorter scale (24.75”), felt great in comparison to my guitars (25.5”)

I looked further and found two contenders that meet my price range:
• Les Paul 50’s Tribute 2016 (900CHF)
Shop Link http://gitarrentotal.ch/de/products/...ntage-sunburst
Gibson link http://www.gibson.com/Products/Elect...x#LPST5HTSVCH3

• Les Paul Studio Faded 2016 (880CHF)
Shop link http://gitarrentotal.ch/de/products/...tin-fire-burst
Gibson link http://www.gibson.com/Products/Elect...aspx#LPSTSFCH1

• Les Paul Tribute 2017 T (890CHF)
Shop link https://promusig.ch/produkt/19876-gi...ney-burst.aspx
Gibson link http://www.gibson.com/Products/Elect...l-Tribute.aspx

• Les Paul Classic 2017 T (2190CHF)
Shop link http://gitarrentotal.ch/de/products/...ny-limited-run
Gibson link http://www.gibson.com/Products/Elect...l-Classic.aspx

All three cost almost the same and I like the looks on all, the Classic is there as my "ideal goal". I would prefer cream plastics and open humbuckers (Tribute) but the looks on the Studio are starting to grow on me; besides the plastics can be easily changed for little money. I’ve read mixed reviews about the pickups too, some saying that the Burstbucker Pros (Studio) sound fantastic and really capture the original Les Paul “tone”, but I was under the impression that the 490R/498T (tribute) would be the ideal combination of AlNiCo 2 on the neck for sustain and AlNiCo 5 on the bridge for harmonics. I have also read that the 490R/498T (tribute) get too muddy with the volume on 10. I have looked both up on youtube and the Gibson site and could not tell much difference.

This is my first expensive guitar purchase so I want to be sure of what I’m getting. I could order the Studio online for “only” 749CHF (http://shop.musix.ch/de/Gibson-Les-P...ire-Burst.html) or the Classic for "only" 1695CHF (http://shop.musix.ch/de/Gibson-LP-Cl...ney-burst.html). I went to the shop and both had been sold, but they told me to come backin 1-2 weeks, as they will receive new stock.. I will use it mainly for home practice and fun, played through a Marshal G15RCD, which is enough for my home or headphones when I do not want to disturb the others.
Do you own both? Have you played both? Any comments on the pickups or other aspects of the guitar?

Cheers,
Walter

P.S. For the sake of simplicity, let us say that 1CHF is equal to 1USD.
P.S.S. If you live in Zürich and want to get together and jam, send me a PM.


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Old June 12th, 2017, 09:12 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I have 2 Gibson LPs. One is a 96 The Paul II and the other is a 2005 Standard. My next new guitar will be an Epiphone Custom Classic Pro. It has Gibson pickups w coil tap and phase shift. It plays every bit as well as any Gibson and has a 14⋅ headstock angle vs a 17⋅ angle on a Gibson. The 14⋅ angle probably breaks a little less often and has the benefit of a bit less string tension on the nut so keeping in tune is more stable. A new unblemished epiphone lists for $800 but sell for $600 almost everywhere.

I admit that most of my guitars are black so this selection fits in with most of my others so if finish drives your guitar selection and you don't like black you will dismiss this recommendation, of course.

Play one though but put a blindfold on. There is nothing that will indicate that you are NOT playing a Gibson.

I am trying to be more active on this forum so am just offering my humble advice.

Let us know what you purchase please. We really are interested.

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Old June 15th, 2017, 03:46 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I have 2 Gibson LPs. One is a 96 The Paul II and the other is a 2005 Standard. My next new guitar will be an Epiphone Custom Classic Pro. It has Gibson pickups w coil tap and phase shift. It plays every bit as well as any Gibson and has a 14⋅ headstock angle vs a 17⋅ angle on a Gibson. The 14⋅ angle probably breaks a little less often and has the benefit of a bit less string tension on the nut so keeping in tune is more stable. A new unblemished epiphone lists for $800 but sell for $600 almost everywhere.

I admit that most of my guitars are black so this selection fits in with most of my others so if finish drives your guitar selection and you don't like black you will dismiss this recommendation, of course.

Play one though but put a blindfold on. There is nothing that will indicate that you are NOT playing a Gibson.

I am trying to be more active on this forum so am just offering my humble advice.

Let us know what you purchase please. We really are interested.

Cheers,
GregL.


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I guess I'd have to try an Epiphone and a Gibson side by side to see if I notice any difference in the tone. The thing is I like both brands, and I like the fact that Les started with Epiphone and also like the Gibson name. When I started playing guitar about 20 years ago the Gibson Les Paul was my unicorn. I did try an Epiphone Traditional Pro and I like it, I didn't care much for the coil splitting but the thick satin (baseball bat) neck felt really good.

About the tone, I know this has been asked MANY times, but if I ever start hearing the limitation of stock Epi pickups, I can put "better" pickups and improve it, right?
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Old June 19th, 2017, 07:27 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Great guitars.

Oh! Hard choices! I guess you want twin humbuckers.
I can only offer a personal opinion - the LP Classic looks perfect but is it affordable? I like the 490 R and T, pickups they are close to the 57 classics and sounded great on my SG and I prefer covered pickups. The 498 is I believe a "hot" pickup - could be muddy and not a good balance with the neck but for hard rock might be the thing.

The studios are ok. I've got a 60's tribute with p90's that I'm very happy with. They have a slightly thinner top and weight relief and no binding at all but I don't miss it. Plays and sounds just fine. I sold my 2014 Traditional - looked great but felt slippery and very heavy plus the studio is the better performance guitar. Can you check any of these out; I did have a 2013 50's tribute and the 50's neck was quite large.
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Old June 27th, 2017, 05:47 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Hi guys,
New options for the final decision in the new post

http://www.gibson-talk.com/forum/les...tml#post384315
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