"Other Guitar" section? - Page 2

Gibson-Talk · February 20th, 2010, 02:21 PM

Here's the distinction for me.

Copy LPs with Gibson or Les Paul headstocks are simply illegal and not welcome here.

Copy LPs with the makers name are fine and dandy by me.

It's pretty much how I approach Fenders on my other forums. If you're crooked enough to pretend your guitar is a Gibson when it's not then you are outcast as far as I'm concerned. But I've seen some beautiful LPs (Agile, Tokai and the like) that are fine guitars and deserve to included here.

S. Rock · February 20th, 2010, 02:33 PM

I saw an Agile yesterday that looked pretty nice. the only reason that I didn't try it out was because I was asked to look at a 1957 G6120 Gretsch that was in pristine condition. matter of fact, the owner asked if my heart was in good condition before he showed it to me.

Wally · February 20th, 2010, 02:39 PM

I hear you, Paul, and it is your forum. When I want to discuss Gibsons that actually have legal Gibson logos on the headstock I can always go to the Les Paul Forum. They make distinctions there. IF you want to talk about a Gibson LEs Paul Standard Classic for instance, you can't post in the 'Historic' section....even though all of the guitars are actually Gibson LEs Pauls. IF you want to discuss an Historic L.P., you can't post in the Vintage 'Burst section on that forum. IT keeps things separated and understandable.
So, if a Gibson Discussion forum wants to include any and all makers of 'les paul' type guitars, that is the perogative of the forum's owner. I salute you, Paul, for your time expended on these forums.
Ya'll have a good one. I am going to go work on a guitar. I will be very careful as to what I post and what I respond to on this forum. I suspect my post numbers will decline, and that is probably a good thing. I know it is for me, and ya'll might enjoy the freedom to post about imaginary 'Gibsons' on this 'Gibson Discussion ForumRI. I mean nothing personal about any of my observations. I just know a Gibson when I play one, and I know a poor copy when I play that. BEen at a long time, sports fans.
Buy an Asian copy. They need help paying for their national health plans over there, right? (;^)

johnreardon · February 20th, 2010, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Wally

I hear you, Paul, and it is your forum. When I want to discuss Gibsons that actually have legal Gibson logos on the headstock I can always go to the Les Paul Forum. They make distinctions there. .. there, right? (;^)

That's the same place that some people condone those fakes made by mysterious chaps called keebler and max

Sorry Wally, too many egos with double standards over there.

Malikon · February 20th, 2010, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Wally

Agile????? Please....these are entry level guitars. Tehy are what they are. They cannot be compared to a real LEs Paul....or they can,, but they fall way short.

Soooo, a solid mahogany body with a maple cap, ebony fretboard and MOP inlays, grover 18:1 tuners, triple bound body and headstock, AlNiCo V pickups, brass shaft pots, 18 gauge wiring and a switchcraft switch, and hand filed and finished frets is an "entry level guitar?"

Sorry Wally, I had no idea I was buying such an entry level guitar.

johnreardon · February 21st, 2010, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Malikon

Soooo, a solid mahogany body with a maple cap, ebony fretboard and MOP inlays, grover 18:1 tuners, triple bound body and headstock, AlNiCo V pickups, brass shaft pots, 18 gauge wiring and a switchcraft switch, and hand filed and finished frets is an "entry level guitar?"

Sorry Wally, I had no idea I was buying such an entry level guitar.

I have played a couple of Epi LPs and apart from the different headstock, you could have sworn they were Gibsons. They had stock pickups as well.

The Squier and Epiphone ranges are superb bargains. I wish they had been around at equivalent prices when I started

Gibson-Talk · February 21st, 2010, 11:20 AM

Wally, perhaps you weren't paying attention. The Non-Gibson LP-Style guitars are separated into their own forum here called "Other Guitars". I wasn't saying that they belonged in the main LP forum or anything like that. And, we are not accepting discussion of the Chinese copies with fake Gibson logos, either.

But, please, we want you to be at the guitar forum that makes you happiest and if that's another forum then we're fine with that.

Malikon · February 21st, 2010, 12:42 PM

I can't stand that there are companies making counterfeit guitars, it really burns me up. I see nothing wrong with making an LP or Strat styled guitar, but the moment you intentionally put the name Fender or Gibson on the copy you've really crossed a line. The people who sand off "Squier" on their guitars and put a Fender water decal in it's place also piss me off to no end. It's just lying and misrepresenting.

I'm proud to play my Squiers and if the Agiles are as good as I'm hoping they are (and 100's of reviews say they trump an Epiphone easily) then I will be proudly playing those too. I never think, "Is it as good as a Gibson/Fender?" I just think of it as it's either a good guitar or it isn't, the name really doesn't matter to me.

I always look at it as I can't see the logo on the guitar when I'm behind it playing anyway.

chuckedup · February 21st, 2010, 09:42 PM

i'm pretty shure my LesPauls a LesPaul.. Has his name right on the headstock.. Serial # says it was made in 2006 by Epiphone in China.. I'm pretty shure if you send the serial # to Gibson and ask the what kind of guitar it is they'll inform you its a "LesPaul" made by epi.. not a "copy" or a "replica" a LesPaul std cust shp +top. Gibson licenses companies to build and brand LesPaul guitars.. i'll reefer back to that headstock thing again.. Anybody who has a problem with it needs to take it up with Gibson.. Not my problem..

Wally · February 22nd, 2010, 02:43 PM

I didn't realize that I was in the 'other guitars' section. whoops! Duh!
I am going to have to revise my desktop to avoid this confusion. I jsut go to a listing of all of the new posts in the Gibson DiscussionPRI.....and hit a new thread...forgetting that it could be in a section other than soemthing concerned with Gibsons.
Malikon, someone came in just Friday with an AGile of which he was totally proud. IT didn't look like a les Paul, it didn't feel like a LEs Paul, and it didn't sound like a Les Paul.
The pickups ;were so microphonic I could make announcements through them. I plugged in a Gibson LEs paul to compare, and the owner had to admit the differenc.
Johnreardon, an Epi L.P. can be a good guitar with a change to some decent pickups. I would never make the mistake of thinking one felt or looked like a Gibson USA product.
I have owned GIbsons since '63, and there is a thing about them that is to this day different from anything except a highly professional copy...like a Max that was mentioned. Cover the headstocks up and I will separate the guitars from each other...Gibson, Epi, Agile, Edwards.....
I apologize for not knowing what section of the Gibson Discussion Page RI that I was on.