Hello.... and a question

Discussion in 'The Epi Center' started by Tom3, Feb 28, 2018.

  1. Tom3

    Tom3 New Member

    Hi there. I'm Tom from Long Island NY. I joined about 5 minutes ago and have a question. I've got this old Epiphone (Casino I believe), and I'm thinking of parting with it. I'm not here to sell it to one of you. I'm truly looking for some knowledge. The tailpice on this guitar seems, different. I'm wondering if it's just an aftermarket one, or a factory one I haven't seen.

    If I don't sell it I'm thinking of sanding it down for the "Lennon" look.

    BTW, I also have a Turquoise Casino that is perfect. This red one is in need of some TLC as you can see. But overall it's in pretty nice shape. I think it's from the 70's, or earlier.

    Thanks for having me.

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  2. Jeffytune

    Jeffytune New Member

    Hi Tom,

    She does look a little rough. Before you part it out, if you could take a picture of the serial number for us first, it should be on a label inside the "F" hole.

    With that we might be able to get the model and the year.
    Epiphone dating is not as easy as a Gibson, with multiple manufactures and serial number not recorded as not sequential it can be daunting.

    But let start with this first.
  3. johnreardon

    johnreardon Active Member


    hi and welcome to this place. I would start with the manufacturer first and ask them if they have any info on the guitar. They will need to see pics including the serial. The worst that can happen is they can say they don't know.

    I wouldn't bother with those internet sites that profess to date guitars. They are often inaccurate
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2018
  4. Infant

    Infant Active Member

    Hi Tom and welcome to Gibson Talk. I would clean it up and ask Epiphone/Gibson like John said. Looking at the tuners, I don't think it's a Korean or Chinese made one. Could be US made and of some value. So before you go crazy with sandpaper, get the info.

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  5. Biddlin

    Biddlin Member

    Early 70s Epiphone 250T, made by Matsumoko.
  6. SAguitar

    SAguitar Active Member

    Welcome to Gibson-Talk, Tom! Yeah, removing the finish, regardless of its condition, definitely removes a lot of whatever value it has.
  7. Biddlin

    Biddlin Member

    "removing the finish, regardless of its condition, definitely removes a lot of whatever value it has."
    The proper procedure is to clean, with a good cleaner and polish like Virtuoso. The tailpiece is original and could be repaired or a period correct replacement might be found. These aren't super valuable, but they are getting rarer. They play well and sound a little brassy, but pickups can be swapped and may have been.
  8. Billy C

    Billy C New Member

    Hi and Welcome to Gibson-Talk, Tom3.......looks like a good project guitar, myself wouldn't remove anything on the finish. I would find out all the information on it before doing anything to it.
  9. jtees4

    jtees4 Member

    Hey Tom. I live on Long Island and I happened to see your CL ad this morning! I just saw this thread and realized, man that guitar looks familiar. And then I saw Tom from Long Island. Good luck with your sale and welcome.
  10. Biddlin

    Biddlin Member

    " Good luck with your sale and welcome."
    Smart money says he's a "one and done." Just dropped in for a free appraisal.
  11. Infant

    Infant Active Member

    And of course, we never gave him one :)

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  12. Jeffytune

    Jeffytune New Member

    I feel so cheap and a little dirty now......
  13. Infant

    Infant Active Member

    It's okay....it'll pass. [emoji6]

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  14. SAguitar

    SAguitar Active Member

    Yeah, take two beers and post again in the morning.
  15. Jeffytune

    Jeffytune New Member

    I be okay, it's not the first time......
  16. Tom3

    Tom3 New Member

    No, I'm not "one and done". I just moved, I'm changing jobs, and life has been hectic to say the least. I've reached a point where not only do I need some extra funds, but I'm tired of having too much "crap" (for lack of a better word) that I've amassed and I'm downsizing. This guitar is cool and all but I do have a newer Casino and a Strat, so I'm good.

    Sorry I didn't return quicker. Thank you all for your input. I did decide to try and sell it just so I'd make a few bucks, and just as important, to get it into the hands of someone who will give it the restoration it should get. Since my first post I went and took it out of storage and did a bit of research also. There is a blue label inside that told me it is an EA-250. It also seems to be from 1971-1974. I found a couple of very informative websites on it. I can't find a serial number anywhere. I suspect it might be under the metal plate on the back.

    I'm no guitar expert so I appreciate your help. I'm a drummer actually who plays some guitar and enjoys it very much. I also started teaching myself banjo afew years back but haven't gotten back to it recently. I have a couple of other guitars that once I get them out and take photos I'd love to hear your thoughts on.

    Be well.
  17. Jeffytune

    Jeffytune New Member

    The serial number should be written on a label on the neck plate.

  18. Tom3

    Tom3 New Member

    I guess that is just missing from the guitar. It looks like a sticker so it must have been removed at some point. One article I read said that it can be very hard to nail down the exact year these were made, other than between 1971-1975.
  19. Biddlin

    Biddlin Member

    "There is a blue label inside that told me it is an EA-250."
    Welcome back. Imagine my surprise. A friend in San Francisco tells me he bought one of these in very good condition for $450 last year. The year will be tough to verify, but is not a real "value " issue. BTW, on my guitars that had stickers, I hide the serial number sticker either under a neck plate or pickguard, so the original owner may have done so, too.
  20. Jeffytune

    Jeffytune New Member

    And I think even with the serial number, that is about as far as you would get. Gibson didn't keep records on these serial numbers, and it was up to the manufacture to put one on it, and they were not sequential.
    Gibson was using them as a entry level guitar, and had them built by a session of different manufacture.
    Even today, Epi's are made in Japan, China, Korea, Indonesia and I am sure I missed a couple. The serial numbers on the newer units are being cataloged better so you can find the year, day and the plant it was made in, but in the early 70's, not so much.

    Lastly, if you still have the blue label in the "F" hole, and it looks like this one, that is the serial number.

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